Context:

During a discussion about conservation and the importance of outdoor access, the speaker states 'ed Abby wouldn't have written Desert Solitaire if he didn't hang out outside.' This is cited as an example of how outdoor exposure leads to advocacy and environmental writing.

Context:

Immediately following the Desert Solitaire reference, the speaker mentions 'Jim Harrison would have written wolf Right if he hadn't spent a bunch of time in the here on National Force.' This appears to reference a book by Jim Harrison (possibly titled 'Wolf'), used as another example of how outdoor experience influences conservation writing.